Comments on: Open letter to the Thunderbird community http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/ Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:34:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: An Invitation From David Ascher « The Guru’s Thunderbird Blog http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-62345 An Invitation From David Ascher « The Guru’s Thunderbird Blog Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:28:25 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-62345 [...] say about Scott & David’s departure, but I have lots to say about MailCo and thunderbird. see http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/ As I mention in that blog, I’m keen to hear from anyone in the Thunderbird [...] [...] say about Scott & David’s departure, but I have lots to say about MailCo and thunderbird. see http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/ As I mention in that blog, I’m keen to hear from anyone in the Thunderbird [...]

]]> By: The Guru’s Thunderbird Blog http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-62344 The Guru’s Thunderbird Blog Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:25:18 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-62344 [...] say about Scott & David’s departure, but I have lots to say about MailCo and thunderbird. see http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/ As I mention in that blog, I’m keen to hear from anyone in the Thunderbird [...] [...] say about Scott & David’s departure, but I have lots to say about MailCo and thunderbird. see http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/ As I mention in that blog, I’m keen to hear from anyone in the Thunderbird [...]

]]> By: Actualizado: David Bienvenu deja Mozilla. ¿Thunderbird en problemas? | Locuras del web http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-62261 Actualizado: David Bienvenu deja Mozilla. ¿Thunderbird en problemas? | Locuras del web Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:55:39 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-62261 [...] Actualización: David Ascher ha comentado en su blog: [...] [...] Actualización: David Ascher ha comentado en su blog: [...]

]]> By: Andy http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59686 Andy Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:59:23 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59686 "It’s about getting more developers working on the code! My job, however, is not to do that coding, but to help make that coding happen. To find the best developers who can do it, and get them hired. [blabla]" So a 100% useless person. Someone who does not get it done. No wonder the productive people leave when unproductive managers take over and try to organise them. The main advantage of David so far is that he casted the core coders away. All that Thunderbird needs is more coders who know the codebase and do the real work. And developer trust. Developer trust was low under the lead of a Maid who came from the IP department. Hope David is at least no lawyer and understands coding. “It’s about getting more developers working on the code! My job, however, is not to do that coding, but to help make that coding happen. To find the best developers who can do it, and get them hired. [blabla]”
So a 100% useless person. Someone who does not get it done. No wonder the productive people leave when unproductive managers take over and try to organise them. The main advantage of David so far is that he casted the core coders away. All that Thunderbird needs is more coders who know the codebase and do the real work. And developer trust. Developer trust was low under the lead of a Maid who came from the IP department. Hope David is at least no lawyer and understands coding.

]]> By: Al Billings http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59684 Al Billings Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:22:35 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59684 To David Tenser and some others, I will point out that how to extend messaging beyond e-mail is something that a number of us within Mozilla have been thinking about lately, even before the decisions to create MailCo were made (or at least before they were made public within even Mozilla). I wrote an entry on this at the beginning of September: http://www.arcanology.com/2007/09/04/messaging-clients-in-the-post-web-20-world/ To David Tenser and some others, I will point out that how to extend messaging beyond e-mail is something that a number of us within Mozilla have been thinking about lately, even before the decisions to create MailCo were made (or at least before they were made public within even Mozilla). I wrote an entry on this at the beginning of September:

http://www.arcanology.com/2007/09/04/messaging-clients-in-the-post-web-20-world/

]]> By: VelkyMX http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59679 VelkyMX Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:15:54 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59679 I was using TB today and need help connecting with a developer to get a TB add-on written. Dave - a place where ideas and developers meet would be a great boon for extension of TB. I was using TB today and need help connecting with a developer to get a TB add-on written. Dave – a place where ideas and developers meet would be a great boon for extension of TB.

]]> By: Robuka Kenderle http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59678 Robuka Kenderle Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:02:26 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59678 “Now is a great time to influence the future of Thunderbird.” Please no, coding would be enough. Time to wipe the braggarts out. -------------------- No, coding IS NOT enough. There are tons of great projects out there that have great coding but dont know how to get to the 'next level'. (that is true for bands as well) You have to have a vision of what you want TB to be. Saying that your code/product is the best wont impress anyone but hardcore geeks. Being just another in the crowd, happy to just keep up or be mediocre is not enough. What do we want TB to be? What fields are we lacking in? What fields arent well addressed by others and how can we improve? How do people use TB and want dont they do in TB? Can we improve on the first and get the latter group on board? What can we add that is bold and inovative but wont burden and bog down the program? How can we get better word of mouth and community support? Marketing campaigns a la Firefox? How can we get better feedback and streamline it? These have to be answered first so that a plan is put in place. “Now is a great time to influence the future of Thunderbird.”
Please no, coding would be enough. Time to wipe the braggarts out.
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No, coding IS NOT enough.
There are tons of great projects out there that have great coding but dont know how to get to the ‘next level’. (that is true for bands as well)
You have to have a vision of what you want TB to be.
Saying that your code/product is the best wont impress anyone but hardcore geeks.
Being just another in the crowd, happy to just keep up or be mediocre is not enough.
What do we want TB to be?
What fields are we lacking in?
What fields arent well addressed by others and how can we improve?
How do people use TB and want dont they do in TB?
Can we improve on the first and get the latter group on board?
What can we add that is bold and inovative but wont burden and bog down the program?
How can we get better word of mouth and community support?
Marketing campaigns a la Firefox?
How can we get better feedback and streamline it?

These have to be answered first so that a plan is put in place.

]]> By: alta88 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59677 alta88 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:13:42 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59677 Re: Comment #9 Sorry, but you haven't learned much if that's your view. Clearly you're not a software manager. Or maybe no one's ever left your project..? Or when they have you've curled up in a corner and shut it down. Re: Comment 29 Sorry, David is not responsible for nor does he owe anyone anything regarding past MoCo practices regarding Tb. Your hostility is very misplaced. As I wrote in mozillazine, the current state of Tb was broken, not healthy in the least, and imo in large part due not to MoCo but to the consequences of decisions made/not made by the former devs. You have to ask why, if way back Fx started with one dev and Tb with two, did the former flourish and the latter not? Hint: it's not Googlebux. Now, no one has any way of knowing whether the new initiative will work or not, but the correct decision was made and if the former devs didn't care to join it, so be it. Or does anyone here think Tb 'belonged' to them? Re: Comment #9
Sorry, but you haven’t learned much if that’s your view. Clearly you’re not a software manager. Or maybe no one’s ever left your project..? Or when they have you’ve curled up in a corner and shut it down.

Re: Comment 29
Sorry, David is not responsible for nor does he owe anyone anything regarding past MoCo practices regarding Tb. Your hostility is very misplaced.

As I wrote in mozillazine, the current state of Tb was broken, not healthy in the least, and imo in large part due not to MoCo but to the consequences of decisions made/not made by the former devs. You have to ask why, if way back Fx started with one dev and Tb with two, did the former flourish and the latter not? Hint: it’s not Googlebux.

Now, no one has any way of knowing whether the new initiative will work or not, but the correct decision was made and if the former devs didn’t care to join it, so be it. Or does anyone here think Tb ‘belonged’ to them?

]]> By: VelkyMX http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59670 VelkyMX Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:20:21 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59670 Just a couple of reviews and thoughts on TB and LIghtning http://www.synergymx.com/page.php?Title=Preview:_Mozilla_Lighting_0.7/ http://www.synergymx.com/page.php?Title=Review_-_Mozilla_Thunderbird_1.5/ Just a couple of reviews and thoughts on TB and LIghtning

http://www.synergymx.com/page.php?Title=Preview:_Mozilla_Lighting_0.7/
http://www.synergymx.com/page.php?Title=Review_-_Mozilla_Thunderbird_1.5/

]]> By: wayne http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/comment-page-1/#comment-59668 wayne Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:51:05 +0000 http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/10/06/open-letter-to-the-thunderbird-community/#comment-59668 regarding things broken by Gecko, a more longstanding example is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393711 -- the thunderbird version of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340867 - open since 2006-06-08 regarding things broken by Gecko, a more longstanding example is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393711 — the thunderbird version of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340867 – open since 2006-06-08

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