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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-61195</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that TB has to move to an embedded database to manage email messages.  With the exponential growth in passing multimedia files around via email the file/folder storage will be unworkable soon.  Then again, if IMAP became the default email standard with 100 Mbit connections, the IMAP server could handle efficient storage.  Or create an attachment database to store attachments after stripping them off the email message with primary keys stored the email message to retrieve attachments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that TB has to move to an embedded database to manage email messages.  With the exponential growth in passing multimedia files around via email the file/folder storage will be unworkable soon.  Then again, if IMAP became the default email standard with 100 Mbit connections, the IMAP server could handle efficient storage.  Or create an attachment database to store attachments after stripping them off the email message with primary keys stored the email message to retrieve attachments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranxerox</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranxerox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things that have recently bothered me:

1.  Calendar is required.  Lightning isn&#039;t ready for prime time as of 0.7.  Even with the obvious fixes, however, it MUST link to Exchange for office use.  I&#039;m running a Linux desktop for everything except meetings, for which I must rdesktop to a Windows terminal server.  It&#039;s the ONLY thing I need the terminal server for.  Then, however, I have to ALSO accept the meeting in Lightning so that I get a popup in my main window instead of a shrunken rdesktop window.

2.  Mailing list setup is less than pleasant.  There&#039;s no way to grab existing email addresses from the address book, it&#039;s manual typing of each email address.  Made my wife screaming mad the other week and when the wife is unhappy I&#039;m unhappy.  Please, for the sake of domestic tranquility, put some time into this feature!

Otherwise I&#039;ve been pretty happy with the application and look forward to using it for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things that have recently bothered me:</p>
<p>1.  Calendar is required.  Lightning isn&#8217;t ready for prime time as of 0.7.  Even with the obvious fixes, however, it MUST link to Exchange for office use.  I&#8217;m running a Linux desktop for everything except meetings, for which I must rdesktop to a Windows terminal server.  It&#8217;s the ONLY thing I need the terminal server for.  Then, however, I have to ALSO accept the meeting in Lightning so that I get a popup in my main window instead of a shrunken rdesktop window.</p>
<p>2.  Mailing list setup is less than pleasant.  There&#8217;s no way to grab existing email addresses from the address book, it&#8217;s manual typing of each email address.  Made my wife screaming mad the other week and when the wife is unhappy I&#8217;m unhappy.  Please, for the sake of domestic tranquility, put some time into this feature!</p>
<p>Otherwise I&#8217;ve been pretty happy with the application and look forward to using it for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Farley</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60472</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PostPosted: Jan Wed 30th 2008 12:24pm     
I have several gripes about Thunderbird. I want to use it, I like it, when it works.
1. There are no install instructions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Downloading and Installing
System Requirements

Before installing, make sure your computer meets the system requirements.
Downloading Thunderbird 2

Mozilla provides Thunderbird 2 for Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X in a variety of languages. You can get the latest version of Thunderbird 2 here.

For builds for other systems and languages not provided by Mozilla.org, see the Contributed Builds section at the end of this document.
Installing Thunderbird 2

Please note that installing Thunderbird 2 will overwrite your existing installation of Thunderbird. You won&#039;t lose any of your mail, but some of your extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are made available



help about about shows no update available.

I can&#039;t believe that no one has fixed the inline picture problem or the attachment problem from rich text emails.

I can&#039;t believe no one has made a shell integrating Sunbird to make an outlook clone/beater. You could choose to use tbird singly or with the combined shell.

Firefox is awesome, Thunderbird could be too if you guys would get BASIC functionality working.

I hate Outlook, but I use it because I&#039;m sick of repeatedly trying to deal with attachments and image filled emails not working.

Please get on the ball

This is unacceptable. Let&#039;s get Tbird to where it needs to be, SOON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PostPosted: Jan Wed 30th 2008 12:24pm<br />
I have several gripes about Thunderbird. I want to use it, I like it, when it works.<br />
1. There are no install instructions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Downloading and Installing<br />
System Requirements</p>
<p>Before installing, make sure your computer meets the system requirements.<br />
Downloading Thunderbird 2</p>
<p>Mozilla provides Thunderbird 2 for Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X in a variety of languages. You can get the latest version of Thunderbird 2 here.</p>
<p>For builds for other systems and languages not provided by Mozilla.org, see the Contributed Builds section at the end of this document.<br />
Installing Thunderbird 2</p>
<p>Please note that installing Thunderbird 2 will overwrite your existing installation of Thunderbird. You won&#8217;t lose any of your mail, but some of your extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are made available</p>
<p>help about about shows no update available.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that no one has fixed the inline picture problem or the attachment problem from rich text emails.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe no one has made a shell integrating Sunbird to make an outlook clone/beater. You could choose to use tbird singly or with the combined shell.</p>
<p>Firefox is awesome, Thunderbird could be too if you guys would get BASIC functionality working.</p>
<p>I hate Outlook, but I use it because I&#8217;m sick of repeatedly trying to deal with attachments and image filled emails not working.</p>
<p>Please get on the ball</p>
<p>This is unacceptable. Let&#8217;s get Tbird to where it needs to be, SOON</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60405</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I&#039;m happy to see that Thunderbird is apparently in good hands.

I agree that although TB, as it is, is far from perfect, it is the base we need to build on.

I also agree with the need for a long term vision, and to me IM integration, better support for extensions and moe focus on the futher development of the Lightning extensions are certainly great ideas. While the use of e-mail may be declining amongst home users, it  will remain vital for organisations. So developing TB to become a real alternative to Outlook is the way to go.

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I&#8217;m happy to see that Thunderbird is apparently in good hands.</p>
<p>I agree that although TB, as it is, is far from perfect, it is the base we need to build on.</p>
<p>I also agree with the need for a long term vision, and to me IM integration, better support for extensions and moe focus on the futher development of the Lightning extensions are certainly great ideas. While the use of e-mail may be declining amongst home users, it  will remain vital for organisations. So developing TB to become a real alternative to Outlook is the way to go.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: James Napolitano</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60397</link>
		<dc:creator>James Napolitano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The bigger theme there is clearly that I believe we should build enough infrastructure such as test suites and test farms so that we can take on architectural changes with more confidence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Other projects like Evolution and KMail may already have large test suites for email that you could reuse (and collaborate on).  There&#039;s no sense in each project recreating tests for the same protocols.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The bigger theme there is clearly that I believe we should build enough infrastructure such as test suites and test farms so that we can take on architectural changes with more confidence.</p></blockquote>
<p>Other projects like Evolution and KMail may already have large test suites for email that you could reuse (and collaborate on).  There&#8217;s no sense in each project recreating tests for the same protocols.</p>
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		<title>By: Bas</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60367</link>
		<dc:creator>Bas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a Thunderbird fan for years, ever since Microsoft dropped the free of charge ability to read Hotmail from Outlook Express. Ever since then I&#039;ve used Thunderbird to read my IMAP mail and webmail accounts. This is also were I believe Thunderbird is competitive and has an edge on other mail clients and even webmail. The ability to have all email in one application, using one address book, ability to read offline and inlne spell check. Great stuff.

At the moment all this is available with help from some addon&#039;s. But this meakes Thunderbird a poweruser&#039;s tool. To be more competitive the setup of email accounts and especially webm,ail accounts must be must simpler. No user can figure out how to download, install and configure to addon&#039;s to get Gmail or Hotmail to work. This must be made simpler with a wizard, which also donwload the appropriate addonss and configures them at the same time. If we could get Gmail or Hotmail or any other to support Thunderbird as prefered offline mail client, usage would go up dramatically.

Small problem is that Thunderbird does not automatically detect online/offline and keeps asking for passwords etc when it cannot connect to webmail.

Lighting is also looking better al the time. But no calender is any good if this cannot be shared by different users. In office environments there is off course Outlook, which is hard to beat as it is bundled with Windows/Office. So the best option here is to link up with OpenOffice which is still lacking this functionality. Fot home users Exchange capability is not required, just beaing able to share address books, calander etc via FTP etc. would be enough.

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a Thunderbird fan for years, ever since Microsoft dropped the free of charge ability to read Hotmail from Outlook Express. Ever since then I&#8217;ve used Thunderbird to read my IMAP mail and webmail accounts. This is also were I believe Thunderbird is competitive and has an edge on other mail clients and even webmail. The ability to have all email in one application, using one address book, ability to read offline and inlne spell check. Great stuff.</p>
<p>At the moment all this is available with help from some addon&#8217;s. But this meakes Thunderbird a poweruser&#8217;s tool. To be more competitive the setup of email accounts and especially webm,ail accounts must be must simpler. No user can figure out how to download, install and configure to addon&#8217;s to get Gmail or Hotmail to work. This must be made simpler with a wizard, which also donwload the appropriate addonss and configures them at the same time. If we could get Gmail or Hotmail or any other to support Thunderbird as prefered offline mail client, usage would go up dramatically.</p>
<p>Small problem is that Thunderbird does not automatically detect online/offline and keeps asking for passwords etc when it cannot connect to webmail.</p>
<p>Lighting is also looking better al the time. But no calender is any good if this cannot be shared by different users. In office environments there is off course Outlook, which is hard to beat as it is bundled with Windows/Office. So the best option here is to link up with OpenOffice which is still lacking this functionality. Fot home users Exchange capability is not required, just beaing able to share address books, calander etc via FTP etc. would be enough.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Pritchard</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Pritchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right in identifying the pervasiveness of IM in recent years. However I think the use of email from multiple devices such as laptop, mobile phone and desktop to name but a few is very important.

With Gmail&#039;s introduction of IMAP, it&#039;s already something that is in demand.

I think this should be something that Thunderbird should strive to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right in identifying the pervasiveness of IM in recent years. However I think the use of email from multiple devices such as laptop, mobile phone and desktop to name but a few is very important.</p>
<p>With Gmail&#8217;s introduction of IMAP, it&#8217;s already something that is in demand.</p>
<p>I think this should be something that Thunderbird should strive to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: G. salter</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60353</link>
		<dc:creator>G. salter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do email programs for example, have to create huge email inboxe files and when you accumulate really big (90,000+) email files do they have to crash so badly. face it, people accumulate huge amounts of emails today, these email clients must be able to handle/back-up/manipulate these files easily. Going to switch to thunderbird soon as netscape won&#039;t be supported soon..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do email programs for example, have to create huge email inboxe files and when you accumulate really big (90,000+) email files do they have to crash so badly. face it, people accumulate huge amounts of emails today, these email clients must be able to handle/back-up/manipulate these files easily. Going to switch to thunderbird soon as netscape won&#8217;t be supported soon..</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60333</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with guanxi that it is discouraging and a waste of time to contribute patches that are never reviewed. At least it would be nice with a message saying &quot;I don&#039;t have time to review your patch right now but will get back to it in X weeks&quot; or &quot;You should request review from Y instead&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with guanxi that it is discouraging and a waste of time to contribute patches that are never reviewed. At least it would be nice with a message saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t have time to review your patch right now but will get back to it in X weeks&#8221; or &#8220;You should request review from Y instead&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudel</title>
		<link>http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/01/03/thoughts-on-thunderbirds-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-60331</link>
		<dc:creator>Dudel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Address book improvements are much needed: 
- birthday field
- Photo
- more flexibility adding custom fields
- The address book should be able to associate sent and received e-mails, notes, appointments, chat logs with a person. (similar to the Activities Tab in the MS Outlook Adress books). This would be a contact-centered view of all 
interactions with one person. I would highly appreciate this feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Address book improvements are much needed:<br />
- birthday field<br />
- Photo<br />
- more flexibility adding custom fields<br />
- The address book should be able to associate sent and received e-mails, notes, appointments, chat logs with a person. (similar to the Activities Tab in the MS Outlook Adress books). This would be a contact-centered view of all<br />
interactions with one person. I would highly appreciate this feature.</p>
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